And you're right: we were not out to win over the Lisp programmers; we were after the C++ programmers. We managed to drag a lot of them about halfway to Lisp. Aren't you happy?
I would be happier had the hype campaign not presented Java as the ultimate programming language, obviating any need for any more programming languages, ever. Yes, it dragged a lot of people halfway to Lisp, but it also tricked them into thinking that that's as far as they need ever look.
If the hype campaign had said "Hey! We've got this language that's about halfway between where you are and a really good language." it probably would not have been effective.
(Found via Planet Lisp)
I remember on a previous post in which I compared a simple loop in eight-or-so languages, Alan Green responded "The only "fair" comparison here is with C++. Java was designed to be a better C++, and it is." This is ironic, since Alan was almost immediately moved to a C++ project, and seems to have been enjoying it quite thoroughly.
I was honestly planning to make some kind of point here, but I seem to have lost it on the way.